Club Advocates Abolition of Columbus Day

Does this call for the abolition of Columbus Day (a day I don't need to be forced not to celebrate--since I don't celebrate it for the reasons listed in this article) also apply to the booze-soaked drunkfest we call "fiesta"?

Also, can this club outline how Democrats have been better throughout recent history than the Republicans per the treatment of Native Americans? I say this because I notice in the academic world there is a double standard: It's attack the Republicans while giving the Democrats a free pass for doing the same things the Republicans do. As I say, please enlighten me with specific differences between the two parties. (For the record, I haven't voted for either of the two parties in presidential races since 1988 and don't plan to vote for either one in this election)

billclausen; The difference for Native Americans is as it is for everyone. No matter how flawed Democrats currently are there is at least a concerted effort to equalize benefits across the board. With the Republicans there is a wait and see if something should "trickle-down" from the top. For my own personal integrity I don't care to celebrate Columbus Day or Fiesta. A day of mourning and perhaps a week of mourning would be more appropriate.

I don't celebrate Columbus Day or Fiasco...uh..Fiesta, for the same reason that I don't celebrate the Holocaust.

I am astonished that we continue to celebrate genocide, and have been for decades. It was crystal clear to me even as a child that these fetes were nothing more than celebrations of genocide, and were disgusting.

Columbus Day is an easy target; it doesn't generate the money for city coffers that Fiesta does.

It would be a slam-dunk for the city to pass one of its silly little resolutions and outlaw Columbus Day, thus making SB look like the good and PC little burg it proclaims itself to be (its treatment of the poor in its jurisdiction notwithstanding) while turning a blind (oops..visually challenged) eye to Fiesta and all it represents.

Fiesta = money & tourism. Money and tourism in SB = God.

It's just that simple...and just that revolting.

I feel so dissed and upset that you hate Fiesta which has always happened at my Casa...I wasn't such a bad guy--ol' Don Jose! Why don't you put up a statue of me on Plaza de la Guerra and let the folks learn about me?..by the way some of us call it "Old Spanish Days" which is just a fact.

I admit all the bad events happened. Tragic. Congress has it by 2080 only %8 of people running around calling themselves "American Indian" will be one-half American Indian, or better. And all though it is some time 'til it happens the people of Chumash descent will be determined to be no longer Chumash. There are no full-bloods now. In which case the land held by Chumash INC reverts back to being good ol US of A.

GM

My offer still stands: What specifically has the Democratic Party done for Native Americans in the context of Natives Americans as a Demographic? What are the specific issues this group would like to have addressed in addition to the one highlighted in this article?

"The film also highlights recent perceived wrongs against Native Americans, including President George W. Bush’s apparently sluggish response to a school shooting on a Native American reservation."

Has he reacted differently to the multitude of other shootings?

Allow me to do my best and give you all an answer to some of the points made.

Fiesta- a celebration of 50 years of genocide, acculturation and economic distruction of Chumash way of life. Yes the City celebrates that and yes Columbus is an easy target for those reasons said. When you start to go at someones livelyhood then the battle gets harder to fight. One day that battle will be dealt with for the same reasons as Columbus days. Anyone who has ever done any reading of California Indians will admit they had to deal with three groups, Spain , Mexico and lastly americans. Spain did it slow and methodically which left a lasting impression, Mexico took what they wanted and then the Americans just killed and put California Indians to work as Slaves till 1870's, over 20 years! And to this day are killing indians slow and with leathal deliberance!

That brings us to this comment about there are no full bloods. I must make you all away that comments like that show the depth of information they have at there disposal. Degree of blood is a method of classification just for the sole purpose to take an Indains land. It was used by the American governement to justify the very promiss that made to provide trust of Indain assests. The Daws act is a good place for you to start reading, but maybe even better is the Marshall trillogy. Degree of blood doesn't determine if you have the right or responsibility to have say in your ancestor. If your great-great-great grandfather left you a will, with money and property,or left you with the responsibility to relocate your family dead bodies to a new grave site,would it matter if you were only 1/8 related by blood or 1/16th or 1/64th? no it is just crazy, why anyone would think of it that way.The amount of blood does not matter. As a legal matter the land will not revert back to the USA, land issued to any Federally recognized tribe is held in turst of the orginal ownership rights as part of the Docturines of discovery. California does have a different legal statute but it was infact stolen by Spanish and Russian explorers then taken from them by Mexico then bullied by the Americans in the treaty of Guadelupe hildago(which was never fully honored giving Indains citizen rights) the fact is if you steal something and no matter how you came into possion of it, it still remains stolen. As of 2007 the United Nations voted that the docturines of discovery was illigal and also a humanitarian crime! This if recognized by the USA would put all the land from coast to coast back in the hands of the descendants of Indigounous first people.

As for the democratic party I will pull some facts out and post them shortly. I want to get them as detailed as I can for you.

Frank A